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Thursday, December 10, 2009

Episode 12: 1985 Interview with Dr. Viktor E. Frankl

Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas, and Welcome to Episode 12 of LogoTalk.Net. It is hard to believe that the world's first and only podcast on Viktor Frankl and logotherapy is now one year old. We now have over 4 hours of podcast material. Each podcast is downloaded an average of 68 times.

As we look forward to 2010, we have some improvements planned:

Presently, Logotalk is uploaded as an .mp3, or an audio only podcast. Beginning in January, Logotalk will become an "enhanced" podcast, or .mp4, allowing pictures, graphs, text, or links to be embedded into the audio soundtrack.

If you currently enjoy the podcast on an audio only .mp3 player, you will notice no change and will continue to receive LogoTalk.Net as you always have. If you listen on a computer, or on a video capable .mp3 player, then the enhanced content will be automatically available.

All the Links from Episode 12:

Because of the enhanced content capability, the LogoTalk.Net podcast will also be available on YouTube at:

This will not change current Logotalk delivery. Current users will continue to receive LogoTalk through the iTunes music store, news readers, email subscriptions, and direct downloads from this blog.

You can follow us on Twitter at:

from which you will receive "tweets" when new podcasts are available.

Finally, a compilation of all the 2009 LogoTalk.Net podcasts will soon be available for purchase for your archive or library at:

Finally, the 1985 interview with Dr. Viktor E. Frankl on South African television has been found here:

Click here to download Episode 12: 1985 Interview with Dr. Viktor E. Frankl

Thank you for listening. Please email any questions or comments to and may you have a meaningful day.

Sunday, November 15, 2009

Episode 11: Logotherapy Potpourri

In this edition of LogoTalk.Net, we answer a question from a listener concerning the relationship between the will to meaning and drives and conditioning. As part of this discussion, we talk about the defiant power of the human spirit and the ability of the human spirit to take a stand against drives, conditioning, or elements of the mass neurotic triad which includes addiction, aggression and depression.

In further discussing the relationship between logotherapy and other therapies, I provide this interview from 2007, at a time when I was only beginning to read Frankl:

Then, we take a Franklian Psychology look at a scene from the SciFi Channel's re-imagined Battlestar Galactica. In only one scene, we see an existential crisis, a debate between a closed vs. open psychological system, a statement of creative, experiential and attitudinal values, the solving of an existential crisis through the defiant power of the human spirit, and an expression of self-transcendence. Not back for 10 minutes of television!

Click here to download Episode 11: Logotherapy Potpourri.

Thank you for listening. Please email any questions or comments to and may you have a meaningful day.

Sunday, October 11, 2009

Episode 10: Domestic Violence and Franklian Psychology

October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month. Some current publications from the American Psychological Association are linked here:

The Mind of the Batterer.pdf

Partner Violence: What you can do


A United States Department of Justice study found that 22% of women and 7% of men had been physically abused by an intimate partner at some point in their lives. The study also found that 1.3% of the women and 0.9% of the men had been abused within the past 30 days. Of those abused, 39% of the women and 23% of the men were injured.

Effects on the victim:

Physical abuse is often accompanied by humiliation, manipulation, and economic control. The effects on the victim include fear, the belief that escape is impossible, post-traumatic stress symptoms and sometimes substance abuse.

The risk of death or serious injury increases once the decision to leave is made.

Key Issues for Franklian Psychology

1) Sophisticated victims of domestic violence may have read Frankl or been drawn to his works in response to their trauma. It is important to know that Frankl taught that meaning in suffering is found only if the suffering is unavoidable. Frankl repeatedly taught that If the suffering can be avoided, it should be avoided.

2) Some victims may believe that they remain in the relationship for the value of love. Frankl taught that the deepest love is an awareness of the potentials of the spirit of the other. In this, the loved one cannot be replaced. If the significant other in your life wishes to control you rather than to see your true abilities and talents made real, then that is not love.

3) Frankl wrote a great deal about value judgments. Value judgments can become easily confused during and after trauma. It is true that great figures of history have sacrificed themselves for loving or meaningful causes. None of those figures, however, sacrificed themselves to another person for the purpose of satisfying the other person's violent temper.

How to respond if someone tells you of domestic violence:

DON'T minimize the abuse
DON'T blame the victim
DON'T shift the focus (to alcohol or some other problem)

DO be empathetic
DO tell the victim it is not her fault
DO offer to get her help (if you can)

Important Phone Numbers:

As always, if you are in danger in the United States, dial 9-1-1

National Domestic Violence Hotline:
1-800-799-SAFE (1-800-799-7233)

Click here to download Episode 10: Domestic Violence and Franklian Psychology.

Thank you for listening. Please email any questions or comments to and may you have a meaningful day.

Monday, September 7, 2009

Episode 9: Conscience and the Spiritual Unconscious

Of Interest to Logotherapists:

Radio National's podcast All in Mind has a fascinating portrayal of 1900 Vienna available here:

and here:

Definition of Terms:

Self: The core of our being, distinctly human, of an existential quality, associated with consciousness and responsibility. Cannot be reduced solely to the ego.

Conscience: Arises from the spiritual unconscious, of a transcendent quality, involves dialog with a transpersonal agent that we may or may not call God. Cannot be reduced solely to the superego.

Spiritual Unconscious: The unconscious aspect of the core of our being, the source of conscience, love, humor, artistic expression.

Unique Quality of Phenomena Arising from the Spiritual Unconscious:

Conscience: Acts as a compass, pointing us toward the one unique meaning that a concrete situation calls for.

Love: Allows us to see, or know, the potentials that are unique to the beloved, and to call forth the actualization of those potentials.

Artistic Conscience: Allows for the unique expression of meanings.

Click here to download Episode 9: Conscience and the Spiritual Unconscious.

Thank you for listening. Please email any questions or comments to and may you have a meaningful day.

Friday, August 14, 2009

Episode 8: Toward a Meaning-Centered Cognitive Therapy

Today I would like to share with you an essay that I completed last month. It is an attempt to rehumanize Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy by using Franklian concepts.

"An ancient parable attributed to Aesop tells of a wager between the sun and the wind to determine which was stronger. A hapless passerby was to be the object of the dispute: whichever of them could make him remove his cloak was to be the winner. The wind began and blew harder and harder. Though flapping in the breeze, the cloak was not blown away as the traveler clutched it ever more tightly around himself. At last, the wind gave up. Then the sun came out and brightly warmed the traveler who immediately removed his cloak. This story demonstrates the relationship between cognitive psychotherapy, such as formulated by Albert Ellis, and the meaning-centered therapy of Viktor Frankl. Frankl considered most psychotherapy to be dehumanizing; the client was at the mercy of drives, conditioning, or biology. Frankl’s therapy was an attempt to rehumanize psychotherapy. I propose that cognitive therapy may be rehumanized by explaining Frankl’s meaning-centered therapy (Logotherapy) in the language of Ellis’ Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy (REBT)."

Click here to download the full essay in PDF format

Click here to download Episode 8: Toward a Meaning Centered Cognitive Therapy.

Thank you for listening. Please email any questions or comments to the address to the left and may you have a meaningful day.

Tuesday, July 14, 2009

Episode 7: Susan's Story

Today we are visiting with Susan, a charming woman who is exploring her emotions through a combination of Logotherapy and cognitive behavioral techniques. She is a native of Uganda, but fled that country along with her family during the reign of Idi Amin. She has also made her home in Kenya and the United States.

A keen observer, Susan would like to share what she has discovered so far in the hope that it may help others who are struggling with feelings of depression. "I need meaning. I know I need meaning in my life," she states. We will be checking in with Susan again in future episodes.

Click here to download Episode 7: Susan's Story.

Thank you for listening. Please email any questions or comments to and may you have a meaningful day.

Monday, June 22, 2009

Episode 6: Reflections on the 17th World Congress

The Seventeenth World Congress on Viktor Frankl's Logotherapy was held June 17-21, 2009, in Dallas, Texas. The theme of this Congress was "Finding Meaning and Purpose in Times of Global Change, Crisis, and Chaos."

Over 200 persons representing 36 nations were present. Despite all our differences of culture and language, we were united in Spirit as we continue to bring the work of Viktor Frankl to the world. blogged live each night from Dallas. Those posts were originally on this blog, but now are linked below:

Live Blogging, World Congress, Day 1
Live Blogging, World Congress, Day 2
Live Blogging, World Congress, Day 3
Live Blogging, World Congress, Day 4
Live Blogging, World Congress, Day 5

In general, these blogs represent the shownotes for LogoTalk Episode 6.

Mentioned in the podcast, but not on the blogs above, is the following information:

Dr. Emina Karamanovski has completed eModes: Tools for Emotional Health and Understanding just in time for the World Congress. This is a deck of 50 emotional message cards that will help you develop the ability to listen to your emotions in a completely different way. The cards will help you learn how to identify and understand your emotions so that you no longer feel the need to fight, suppress, or unconsciously react to your emotions. eModes are helpful alone, and also make a great companion to Dr. Karamanovski's successful book, Emotions Simplified.

Both are available at

Also mentioned in this podcast is the current situation in Iran. At the Congress, Hadi Asghari, a former Iranian military officer, talked about his years of imprisonment following the Iranian Revolution. Walking, and even running now, Mr. Asghari remains an enduring testament to the defiant power of the human spirit.

Videos currently coming from the election protests in Iran can be found here on YouTube:

Click here to download Episode 6: Reflections on the 17th World Congress.

Thank you for listening. Please email any questions or comments to the address to the left. And may you have a meaningful day.

Friday, May 1, 2009

Episode 5: Interview with Dr. Emina Karamanovski is pleased to welcome Emina Karamanovski, MD, to the podcast. A native of Serbia, Dr. Karamanovski completed her medical training at the University of Belgrade. She is a diplomat in Logotherapy, a certified practitioner of neuro-linguistic programming, HeartMath techniques, and is coach certified.

Dr. Karamanovski is a pioneer in the field of using emotions to their fullest potential. Realizing the importance of emotions, Dr. Karamanovski studied many different methods of positive thinking and emotional management, personally testing each one, before developing her own unique approach to strengthening emotional intelligence. Her approach is innovative: emotions are messengers, and by understanding their messages we can improve our emotional intelligence. Her teaching is empowering. Once we learn the language of emotions, we gain the ability to deliberately choose our feelings and thus decide how to emotionally engage life.

More can be learned about Dr. Karamanovski by visiting her website:

Dr. Karamanovski's book Emotions Simplified is available at:


Barnes and Noble Online

Click here to download Episode 5: Interview with Dr. Emina Karamanovski.

Thank you for listening, and may you have a meaningful day.

Thursday, April 2, 2009

Episode 4: Self-Distancing and Self-Transcendence

Welcome to Episode 4 of LogoTalk: Self-Distancing and Self-Transcendence.

Self-Distancing is the human capacity to step away from one’s self and look at one’s self from the “outside,” possibly with a sense of humor.

In my view, all psychotherapies make use of self-distancing. For example:

Freud's maxim of "where id was, let ego be" could be seen as a way to distance oneself from the symptoms.

Behaviorism objectively records frequency, duration and intensity of behavior, which distances the client from the behavior.

Cognitive therapy teaches one how to objectively observe their thoughts and replace them with more realistic thoughts.

Humanist's use of unconditional positive regard means that the person is held in high regard despite behavior, which helps the client to see himself or herself as distanced from the behavior.

Logotherapy has developed its own tool of self-distancing:

Paradoxical Intention
is using the human quality of self-distancing to help patients step away from themselves and their symptoms and to break the vicious circle caused by anticipatory anxiety. Paradoxical intention encourages us to do, or wish to happen, the very things we fear, making use of our sense of humor and our defiant power of the human spirit.

Because of this, I see Logotherapy as compatible with other therapeutic techniques when those techniques are used as tools of self-distancing.

Only Logotherapy, however, makes direct use of Self-Transcendence.

Self-Transcendence is the human capacity to reach out beyond oneself, toward meanings to fulfill, people to love, causes to serve. The human being is not considered a closed system, but a being directed and pointing to something or someone other than the self.

The goals of other psychotherapies do not do this. For example:

Freud emphasized the capacities "to work and to love." In Logotherapy, these capacities may be see as self-transcendence, but since psychoanalysis is a closed system, they are only seen as the result of the resolution of intrapsychic conflict.

The goal of behaviorism is nothing other than changing the target behavior.

Ellis is surprisingly close with the idea of the

Vital Absorbing Interest: "Let me repeat again that clients who are encouraged to acquire a vital absorbing interest, and get devoted to some cause, idea, activity, or even sport, for a long period of time, help distract themselves from their disturbances. At the same time, they acquire central meaning or purpose in life that adds considerably to their existence (Ellis and Harper, 1997). This is important perhaps for practically all self-disturbing individuals, but it is even more important if it can be achieved by those with personality disorders. They are so put-upon by their handicaps, and often so anxietizing and depressing, that anything that will thoroughly distract them will work temporarily and even on a long=term basis. So I encourage practically all my clients with personality disorders to try to come up with a constructive goal, purpose, or vital absorption that will unusually preoccupy them for preferably years to come. Even if they never eliminate their severe anxietizing and depression, they distract themselves so well from it that at times it doesn’t bother them very severely." (Overcoming Resistance, Albert Ellis, pp. 185-186, Springer Publishing Company, 2002).

This remains different from Self-Transcendence, however, because it is entirely internal to the individual, a mere preoccupation. It need not impact anyone else at all. As such, it is another tool of self-distancing.

Likewise, the humanist concept of Self-Actualization falls short.

Self-Actualization is, according to Maslow, the desire for self-fulfillment, namely the tendency for him [the individual] to become actualized in what he is potentially. This tendency might be phrased as the desire to become more and more what one is, to become everything that one is capable of becoming.

As with the solutions proposed by Freud and Ellis, this concept is entirely internal to the individual.

Clinical Interview

Mike has discovered the importance of self-transcendence on his own. In the interview that is part of this podcast, Mike states:

"By helping someone else it helps me to want to stay clean and straight."

"It gives me a desire to want to help more people, to hold myself accountable."

"It helps me to help other people."

Click here to download Episode 4: Self-Distancing and Self-Transcendence.

Thank you for listening, and may you have a meaningful day.

Saturday, March 7, 2009

Episode 3: Frankl's Laws of Dimensional Ontology

Welcome to Episode 3 of LogoTalk: Frankl's Laws of Dimensional Ontology.

Logotherapy News:

A special thank-you to Patrice Anaya for allowing to use a portion of her original composition in the LogoTalk introduction, beginning with this episode.

LogoTalk has learned that Alexander Vesely will be attending the Seventeenth World Congress on Viktor Frankl's Logotherapy this year. Mr. Vesely is the grandson of Viktor Frankl and Eleanor Frankl. He is a licensed psychotherapist in Austria and is a Diplomate in Logotherapy. Also a filmmaker, Mr. Vesely is producing a documentary about his grandfather. A preview will be shown at the World Congress. will provide a review and ongong information as the film becomes available to the public.

Websites of Interest to Logotherapists:

The Survivor's Club

"Our mission is to help you survive and thrive in the face of everyday adversity."

Positive Psychology Center

"Positive Psychology is the scientific study of the strengths and virtues that enable individuals and communities to thrive. The Positive Psychology Center promotes research, training, education, and the dissemination of Positive Psychology. This field is founded on the belief that people want to lead meaningful and fulfilling lives, to cultivate what is best within themselves, and to enhance their experiences of love, work, and play. "

Kate's Story

Frankl's Laws of Dimensional Ontology:

The First Law of Dimensional Ontology: One and the same phenomenon projected out of its own dimension into different dimensions lower than its own is depicted in such a way that the individual pictures contradict one another.

The Second Law of Dimensional Ontology: Different phenomena projected out of their own dimension into one dimension lower than their own are depicted in such a manner that the pictures are ambiguous.

Click here to download Episode 3: Frankl's Laws of Dimensional Ontology.

Thank you for listening, and may you have a meaningful day.

Sunday, February 1, 2009

Episode 2: Ultimate Meaning and Meaning of the Moment

Welcome to Episode 2 of LogoTalk: Ultimate Meaning and the Meaning of the Moment.

Logotherapy News:

The Seventeenth World Congress on Viktor Frankl's Logotherapy will be held June 17-21, 2009, in Dallas, Texas. Pre-Congress workshops are scheduled for June 15-17. This year's very timely theme is Finding Meaning and Purpose in Times of Global Change, Crisis and Chaos. LogoTalk will there, podcasting live from Dallas.

Some recent logotherapy books:

Say Yes to Life for the Sake of God by Rosemary Jaffin
Emotions Simplified by Emina Karamanovski, MD
Franklian Psychology: A Meaning Matrix for Spiritual Formation by Randy Scraper, PhD
Finding Meaning in Times of Change, Crisis and Chaos by Geri Marr Burdman, PhD
Logotherapy and the Logos of God in Christic Wisdom by Jeremiah Murasso, PhD
The Humanity of Mediators: From A Study of the Concepts of Viktor E. Frankl by Henry Albert Chan, PhD

Email from Our Listeners:

One potential listener is having trouble downloading the podcast. I think the bugs have been worked out...please try again and email if you have any more trouble.

Jessica writes to ask, "Do you happen to know of any resources for finding a Logotherapist?"

I have failed to find any national or international directories of logotherapists. If any listener knows of any, please comment at the end of this post, or email me at Your responses will be included in next month's podcast.

Ultimate Meaning and the Meaning of the Moment

Ultimate meaning is related to concepts of God. Frankl believed that each life had an ultimate meaning. He wrote:

Everyone has his own specific vocation or mission in life to carry out a concrete assignment which demands fulfillment. Therein he cannot be replaced, nor can his life be repeated. Thus, everyone's task is as unique as is his specific opportunity to implement it.

Ultimate meaning, however, may not be realized until near the end of life. In contrast, the meaning of the moment is something that can be discovered fresh each day, or each moment, in the following ways:

1) by creating a work or doing a deed
2) by experiencing something or encountering someone
3) by the attitude we take toward unavoidable suffering

This emphasis on responsibleness is reflected in the categorical imperative of logotherapy, which is: "Live as if you were living already for the second time and as if you had acted the first time as wrongly as you are about to act now!" It seems to me that there is nothing which would stimulate a man's sense of responsibleness more than this maxim, which invites him to imagine first that the present is the past and, second, that the past may yet be changed and amended. Such a precept confronts him with life's finiteness as well as the finality of what he makes out of both his life and himself.

Logotherapy, keeping in mind the essential transitoriness of human existence, is not pessimistic but rather activistic. To express this point figuratively we might say: The pessimist resembles a man who observes with fear and sadness that his wall calendar, from which he daily tears a sheet, grows thinner with each passing day. On the other hand, the person who attacks the problems of life actively is like a man who removes each successive leaf from his calendar and files it neatly and carefully away with its predecessors, after first having jotted down a few diary notes on the back. He can reflect with pride and joy on all the richness set down in these notes, on all the life he has already lived to the fullest. What will it matter to him if he notices that he is growing old? Has he any reason to envy the young people whom he sees, or wax nostalgic over his own lost youth? What reasons has he to envy a young person? For the possibilities that a young person has, the future which is in store for him? "No, thank you," he will think. "Instead of possibilities, I have realities in my past, not only the reality of work done and of love loved, but of sufferings bravely suffered. These sufferings are even the things of which I am most proud, though these are things which cannot inspire envy."

Compare these words of Viktor Frankl with Matthew 6:19-21:

"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Click here to download Episode 2: Ultimate Meaning and the Meaning of the Moment

Thank you for listening, and may you have a meaningful day.

Saturday, January 10, 2009

Episode 1: Welcome to LogoTalk

Welcome to the first podcast about Logotherapy and Franklian Psychology. This first podcast gives some biographical information on Viktor Frankl and discusses my interest in Logotherapy. Future podcasts will focus on various aspects of Franklian Psychology.

Logotherapy is the English term used to describe the therapeutic approach of Viktor Frankl. Logotherapy relies on the defiant power of the human spirit to face adversity and to find meaning in any and all circumstances.

Click here to download Episode 1.